"Copy time on all blueprints is going to be slightly shorter than the time required to build from that blueprint, providing a low(er) risk option to build at POS for those who wish to do so."

Scaling costs will apply to all, just think of it as overhead on machine refits/repairs/scaling up plant lines etc.

Or increased maintenance costs on automated systems, just like factories in rl...things aren't magically made from goods, they are processed and that carries inherent overheads no matter where you do it. CCP could model this by making manufacture jobs consume mechanical parts and robotics per run, test cultures, bacteria, Water cooled CPU etc for research runs. This would simply add complexity though (Unless the super whizzy GUI will deal with the nastiness).

I was just making an example case for why, but it stands to reason that the more you push the factory the more it'll cost in maintenance overheads. Would you rather this be a tax for simplicity or shipping more fuel blocks which as you say contain all the goodies required for maintenance etc...and as far as I know stations are almost always manned in some way or another. We just don't list crew as it would over-complicate things. A fully automated system will fail at some piont no matter how good it is. The more complexthe system, the more failures. Squishy humans will always be required to a degree

I'm new to POS management and will be setting one up just as soon as I can so I'm thinking CCP expect this will balance out...and less profit is better than no profit so many people will consider quitting then just carry on as is and accept it.. Also I would expect that your POS would still manufacture the same amount after the release as it does now without incurring costs. I *think* the change is that if you stack more jobs onto a lab than its optimal rating it will incur the stacking costs per extra job. This is yet to be made clear in a future blog though.

As a side note I only just earned the standings required to stand up a POS but am not concerned about the time this has taken due to the other benefits from having done so. I have no issue with dropping the standings requirement but would like to see it have some impact in some way on the whole S&I area to benefit those who have gone through the grind.

But it isnt tax, thats what you are wrong about.

A factory can churn out 50 jobs per day at cost X what is now. But said factory in teh future can churn out 100 jobs at cost Y, but no one said it cant do just 50 jobs at cost X still. Just when you get over the amount it is ment for scaling cost should come into play.

No point in getting all angry and huffpuff abou tthese changes when we only have half of the info. Look forward to that next devblog where they'll go more in detail about that scaling cost and how it works exactly.

if 50 jobs turn into cost Y and not stay at cost X, then sure go ahead and be all angry lol

Except that your additional cost of tY might well turn out to be zero (or near zero) for the same number of jobs your POS can currently handle. With the benefit, that you can install even more jobs, but then your tY will indeed increase. Right now however all this is speculation until CCP releases exact numbers ;)

Well, we know that the exact cost will be shown before you run the job. What we don't know if if you can put together "hypothetical" manufacturing runs to see what the cost would be.

PvPers need to be content to go PvP against other players that want to PvP. You are never going to get industrialists to play in a way that makes them easy kills for PvPers.

you can, they said so in a post

hell both you and i lose out way more on this pos safety thing than any of this rabble

It may surprise you that even nullsec dwellers such as me and my colleagues are invested in industry. Probably more than most people in this thread, come to think of it.

So we know there is going to be a new "tax" added to ALL pos use, were just waiting on how much.

We need an API for querying the tax scaling of stations.

for ore compression only in POS (when will we be able to contract courier from station to POS ?)

You can't possibly be that ignorant about import/export costs. Do you have any idea how much it costs to move that many (or any realistic amount) of DCIIs from nulsec to hisec?

left wing economic thinking is demonstrably empirically superior to right-wing thinking though you are clearly a poor economic thinker of any stripe

yeah, everyone knows venezuela has been using the metric system for ninety-nine years. jeez, read a book, victoria